Carbing Up on Insulin

Carving up on insulin bicarb i mean, carbohydrates by insulin. I mean, the drugs that your body naturally extremes from your pancreas to push nutrients into yourselves, whether it's glucose in the fat cells or glucose into muscle cells. But specifically when we're trying to carve up on insulin, we're tryingto shotgun. Push all those carbs into the muscle. So i mean the original guru of body building, one of the pioneers of human evolution that brought the bodybuilders to the stage in the nineteen nineties. We got kane bishop who's about to turn pro bodybuilder today. Coach trevor and philip here. Okay, slim diesel also talk with with the mean first about why would we carve up with insulin ? What is it about insulin that helps us carb up ? And i'm going to say what i feel about this. I think if you want to get a good puppet, we're straight and you can also eat a lot of salt. You get a good pump that also great. And if you feel that the bump is something that you want and great, okay, but if you feel as if that's gonna really make you grow like that's going to actually put on the muscle, it's not so. If you want to continue pump, pump, pump up, you're going to keep holding more, more, more water. You look more and more and more worked. And there's gonna be a certain point where if you compete, you gotta get rid of it if you don't it's. Not really about that. You're taking a lot of insulin and you're taking sugar with insulin. And that is what causes diabetes. Sugar. It was another way. I mean, sugar itself causes diabetes, but taking sugar on taking insulin is like taking sugar times three, which is like you lot to sugar. And that gives you diabetes. So why would you do that ? Why would you one diabetes ? Well, it allows, like it should be stored in the muscle cell. But where it all started from which we were with insulin. Carb loading insulin without taking growth. So this this is no growth, this's. Just talking about insulin. I had a theory when i was eighteen years old. I did a competition, the virginia state, as a middleweight. And i thought i weighed in at one hundred and sixty five pounds. Okay, i did one. Hundred sixty five pounds. I didn't look as good as i should have. I knew that i wasn't as lena's. I should have been. And i knew i needed a couple more weeks. So i thought i would do. This is the first time i came up with hell week and car depletion, and all that i thought i would do is i would do an amazing sort of car depletion with an amazing sort of sodium loading while using a lot of potassium and carving up on insulin. And i thought that that would make me janeway. Yeah, i thought that weight that i was saying would allow me to be one hundred seventy, two hundred seventy, one hundred seventy three. It didn't actually lost weight. She lost weight and it being one hundred fifty four. I lost a lot of ways. I lost over ten towns while i card duck. Yeah, and it seemed like the insulin as good through a very, very severe depletion. And it was four days of carving up four days, taking insulin regular, uh, taking it with, you know, with every other meal and i didn't have access to a scale every day. I wasn't training. I was only posing. I wasn't even lifting. And i end up losing ten pounds and i won. I wanted a lightweight. I want open class. I turned nineteen between those two weeks, so i was one week after my nineties was june third was the day of the show. My birthday's may thirtieth and i ended up winning the open class and david leaving room when the overall. So forget it. So for all of us that are competing here we are at nationals. How do we implement using insulin during a carb up to prepare for a show ? I didn't use sugar and i don't think anyone should either. I think you carve up using cards that are local. I see mick. Hi, ladies. What's so there's that give us an example of, like, simple carbohydrates. So we gams brown rice, eating my rice. But if you do it, you do it very quickly. I don't prefer white rice with insulin. No, but i do prefer plain potatoes, yams and brown rice. Oh, meal put an oatmeal and buckwheat and amherst. Well, like what ? What i've always been told is like, you know, you kind of want to make sure you have, like, cause those all complex carbohydrates, right ? Just said but in order for like the insulin first taking you need like some simple should write that's what everybody thinks. But the reality is when you're coming from being depleted, mind you, it's the state of your body at that moment give your bodies pleaded you don't need that and that's what you do you take the insulin, the insulin is that sugar that's that's what it is it's the sugar quote unquote that's! What have you got ? Sugar in your body produces insulin so you take that sugar with cars that don't produce insulin. And now carbs that normally take forever to just burn slow, end up being party or muscle. They end up being pushing with muscles, trying to create the hyper insulin amy of the whole concept with the lowest amount of carbohydrates, you're shaking it. Otherwise it goes the other way. You spillover very right. And which happens easy sugar. So basically, the protocol would go as follows. You do you until the shut and they continue complex carbohydrates. Or you do congenial couple of side projects and indians have a good day for me. Okay, for me, the very first six meals and i was eating about every two hours and using small meals the very first six meals that i ate i didn't take any. I waited until those i felt like there was enough sugar in the blood. I felt like i was always back. Teo, you know, klaus, i, like, least something functioning normal. I thought, like i can handle insolent, like i wouldn't go hypo merely take me in at that point. Then it was very small amounts, but also you have to look at my body weight versus somebody else's, but to some degree that's. True. But it is a chemical reaction again. We talked a couple times about chemical reactions vs here, like calories or, you know, other different things. Because when you're taking insulin, you know, two units for a guy one hundred sixty pounds and two units for a guy two hundred and forty pounds, it might be just as effective for that guy, depending on other factors, like sensitivity was was was that person prior lee to that, taking the shot of insulin ? How many days ? How many hours before ? That where they really depleted ? Well, i mean, depleted is not like what was depleted for three days. Whatever. Once you're depleted your depleted but people never really get depleted in order for them to load up on insulin, lose weight. So if if we're not depleted, then there's not as much of a benefit to using insulin for like water is the same as making you want to get to hold water, and i wouldn't take it all. The first day i met you, you were doing. I brought my clients your house, and they were all talking about the insulin. I was saying, why are you guys doing that ? Why were you doing it with liquid carbs and all that ? And it made no sense to me. And i was explaining it. And that's kind of this all started and it's the same savings that concept in when he says two units on the hundred fifty pound person verse two hundred forty pounds, your body's gonna produce the same amount of insulin to shuttle those couple hydrates, depending on whatever your sensitivity is, no matter for two hundred forty pounds or not now you might have to get more carbohydrates to fill a bigger muscle. But the insolence still gonna push that much carbohydrates exactly exactly so timing of the insulin shot if you take the insulin that like a human log that's gonna that's gonna hit in fifteen minutes and you eat it with a complex carbs that's not gonna really hit your bloodstream for thirty minutes. Then you got this fifteen minutes where you're gonna go hyperglycemia. So are we thinking we're going to eat the complex carbs and then take the insulin right after we eat conflict ? Carville saying hi six meals with no insulin. So i had a level of blood sugar that i wouldn't go hide. Okay, so at the end of the day, that's what you tell me ? Well, i will load it for four days. This is the very first days talking about what was eating your couple hours. I was eating a meal, so i got enough sugar in my blood, but i wasn't going. We're talking logos of insulin, and we're talking about timing. Soas faras timing goes there was enough glycogen president. However, when you're actually that lean, you're talking you said fifteen minutes for human law i didn't do it alone. I did. L and i did. And in our i did two different i did through all the three different types, different ones at different times. And you get into that. But for the sake of argument, if we are talking a few along, okay, any any actually any answers ? Okay, onset is aj faster ? If there's no subcutaneous vanni fat it's almost as rapid as intervene yous anything it's that fast. So you take the insulin and lit it doesn't take more than even a minute before it doesn't. Fifteen minutes. Whatever the ham remember that's more mole people that have a normal level of body fat. They're eating so three times a day they they they're not rip. They're not ready for a show. They didn't do a card, please. And there were none of these were factors when they're making insulin wasn't made for bodybuilders is made for diabetics, you know. So when you add all these factors in so you say, well, well, it's still kick, you know it kicks in way faster than fifteen minutes. It kicks in in a matter of minutes. So how do you time it ? All right. You take you well after you eat once the food already makes your body feel warm and you already feel the carbs you know the insulin's gonna hit you right away. That's when you take it it's much different than the off season when you have a layer of fat on your body, it does take fifteen minutes to kick in so you take it before the meal. That's the difference of whether you take it before with your body fat levels and the need for the glycogen, you could be ribs and you could be you could have plenty of glycogen, your body and you're not going to go hypo so it's still going to hit you pretty quick, but not as fast as if you need glycogen and also you're very lean if we are, if we're loaded up, where are glycogen ? Stores were totally full because we because you take it carbs for four days straight, you're depleted take car for four days straight then you're like that was gonna be full. Can insulin make you storm or carbs than you would without insulin ? So if our carbohydrates or storage is already full, then isn't it just gonna spill over into fat anyways. That's why you stopped eating as much carbs. You only use carbs for energy unless you have to keep up with the metabolism. Wait your case. We have to keep up with the metabolism so fast that every time you eat carbs and speeding in italics office, figure tabla with to make the shift toward your eating just fat, more fat to slow things down and let's face it, you're going to be on vacation after this, so you're going to be fat, protein and carbs so there's, no need to go access, but in the sake of anybody else doing competition, it would be you that's when you stop looting you, don't you don't take insulin so you continue to load. You not only stop loading, but you also stop taking insulin and then you go to fat, a protein and calm place car. But sorry, fiber is carbs and when you do that, there is no water attention. Okay, what what's the benefit of using insulin to do that last bit of carb loading than just carb loading without it really depends on how depleted you are if you're depleted than it. Works if you're not depleted, then if it doesn't work, so very few people are ever depleted, right ? I mean, unless they're preparing for a body building companies, are you saying most people problem ? Most bodybuilders who aren't preparing for a competition probably shouldn't be using insulin by itself without growth hormone to load up on carbs. That's exactly what i'm saying. And i think that it's gotten out of hand, i think it's something that people say used because it's another thing a long time. I tell you how to use insulin. They all know it's bullshit. It really is bullshit. So what do you what do you think about the new fad of doing five units of insulin pre workout or five units of insulin post workout ? No growth hormone just with with one hundred grams of car alway in on it, i'm sure trevor wants to wants the way on on it again. We have spoken about this with trevor, and i have actually talked quite a bit. You want backup should both of us for a minute. Trevor and i've actually talked quite a bit since we've been in the national i just met him here. And we spoke about some of the theories that i have, and i honestly think he's, extremely knowledgeable, i think i think he's on the level of cassio in colombo, on the other guys, he has a lot of what i think the right stuff that they have that combines it. So in a lot of ways, i don't think experiences lot do with also but straight knowledge base he's, not pigheaded, and i have a columbo flossing here i haven't aceto flower fair philosophy, he actually khun see what's good about all these things, and he applies so some of the same thing i've experiment always thing is, if you're going to do a marathon workout that's your thing, you could do it and work out longer because of the amount of carbs storage that you're gonna get from it, you're not going to put on any more side. It's not how it works. It's anabolic in nature now it works but also animal fat so you can last longer in a workout if you're loading up on carbs and insulin but it's only gonna be in effect. That's going to last if you're trying to train for a long time for whatever benefit you're trying to use it for and if you're trying to look good for a day, you know, maybe two days, but that look's gonna go away, stay. There it is, you know that. So it's only for, like, for certain like that you're trying teo for long workout. Otherwise i can't do anything but get you fat dosage let's talk about dosage. So you're saying taking it more often with each complex carb meal after the initial loading up on carbs after a depletion and you said two units for you because you're smaller guy, i dabble bye, andi. I couldn't eat enough food within that window to compensate for five units, okay, you just was a it was impossible. The digestion couldn't keep up with the injection. Okay, so when you take that into consideration and notice that it's it also you're very lean, so it hits you very fast. So, uh, i mean, i'm not talking about regular, i'm actually talking about manti, which they don't make anymore, but that was supposed to take correct me if i'm wrong, but no but thirty minutes to kick in forty five minutes to kick. In on a chicken like that, there was no forty five minutes. I mean, kick them within five minutes that fast and the oatmeal wasn't quite ready, and i went into high beau, and i ate as much as i could, and i still was dealing with issues. So i had to eat, honey, which you don't you should never do. But i had to do something because i was in a really bad situation with shakiness in the hypo. Learn from that. I learned from that, and i lowered the dosage, and i didn't put it. What ends up happening is, is that you see yourself smoothing out, so then you still take insulin the next meal, and then you'll hardened back up. So for guys like bishop and i, a little amount of muscle that we have, i'm putting myself in the same category ways, like guys like us, right ? You know, i know that it could be between one and five units because our insulin sensitivity is different in so many different factors, but just looking at us and just knowing watching us eat, you think there's a certain number that we can start with one of my if you didn't have insulin sensitivity and it was sent after decent, if if you weren't, if you weren't receptors, work, senses, okay, so if that wasn't the case, then then you could say, ok, based on milligram per kilogram. So there's so a certain amount of lean muscle being body weight, you can equate to saying this is gonna work. But because that's not the factor because of the mp or because of other services will make insulin more powerful in your body because the receptors in any way because of that, then i'd say you have to start with one unit. And then how do you know when it's time to go up from one unit ? Well, i could tell you that it's more difficult to tell. When it's it's time to go up then it is what ? It's, time to go down. Okay, so what you do is you do at least three meals of one unit, tio have a baseline saying that you have our understanding of the state of your body with one unit, insulin and that amount of food. Once you've gotten off course, the deal has to be the same once. Once you've done that three times, then you're ready to if possible, increase the amount of carbohydrates and then you can increase the insulin. Now, you don't want to increase the insulin without increasing any of carbohydrates, so okay, i'm gonna go. I'm gonna close the south as we're out of time. We got to get upstairs and actually, bishop philip and i have to get on stage. Uh, real quick. This is more of an academic discussion. I didn't i didn't hear anything that gets me really excited about taking insulin without growth hormone it's more about the combination of the two that were going to cover in more videos. 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