Steroid profile of NPP which stands for Nandrolone phenylpropionate. This is the fast version of deca, which is the nandrolone decanoate. Deca is a long acting steroid. It takes weeks to build up before you even really feel it. In a month probably for really kicks in. And nandrolone phenylpropionate has a much faster half-life.
NPP, right? So he just said it right there. It’s the phenylpropionate, it’s just the ester that’s attached to it, meaning the breakdown rate of that hormone in the fatty acids.
So, it has roughly three to five days versus you’re looking up fifteen plus days on the decanoate. It kicks in a lot quicker, however, is still a lot of like the joint benefits do take a little bit longer to really start working whether you’re taking the longer ester or the shorter ester. It’s the same exact drug just a different ester. It’s gonna take time for both of them for the joint effects.
But the upside to phenylpropionate is the frequency that you need to do the injections is what keeps a stable level of the hormone in your body so you hold less water. The actual ester of the hormone does nothing to how much water you’re going to hold, people say, and then they will make you hold more water than propionate which is a hundred percent true. It’s the frequency of injects because you have your hormones doing this. When you take it and they and you look a blood value timing on the testosterone, you have this like it does this straight line and then peaks high and at peaks high and it comes back to a steady medium, but it does these peaks, so the less frequent you do any injection, the more you’re going to have levels going up and down and the more, they’re going up and down, you’re gonna have side effects. That’s where most side effects of these drugs come from.
So you saying the NPP steroid has the increased risk that you have to do the injections more frequently, and if you don’t, then you’re going to have the roller coast your hormones? So how often is an NPP injection recommended?
What my belief would be, I guess with my athletes is in every other day and theoretically, depending on if you want to be a pin cushion or not, every day would even be better and that’s with everything that you take, it doesn’t matter what it is, the more frequent a certain hormone is in there at a stable level. Fewer side effects, no matter what it is trenbolone etcetera. However, some hormones do work better, taking a higher dose less frequently. Like the trenbolone, I believe myself, but keeping steady levels is your biggest thing. So every other day or third day is a maximum.
Okay, so you have people like me who are really busy and it’s sometimes hard to get an injection every day. The longest that you could get away with it, you said one, two, three days. So every third day does that mean like Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday, like Monday, Thursday, two days in between?
Monday-Thursday, but then here’s the downside. Now you have to take more volume at that time because most phenylpropionate is dosed at 100 when people sell it. Although it could easily be produced at 200. Everywhere you’re going to get the stuff, for the most part, it’s coming in at one hundred. So the sheer volume that they’re going to have to do is about 3 CC’s of this stuff, certainly at one given time.
So the deca oftentimes is two, fifty, two hundred fifty milligrams for milliliter and three hundred milligrams Ml. But it also, because it has a longer Esther attached to it there’s less active drug compound in it.
So what are the normal or recommended dosages of NPP versus the recommended dosage of deca? Considering the fact that the esthers taking up more of the deca.
There’s actually a funny thing about phenylpropionate, it takes up a lot. Now propionate doesn’t take up much, acetate takes up less and enanthate cypionate takes up a lot more. But phenylpropionate, you would think, actually takes up less, but it takes up about the same, if not more. So you are actually getting less phenylpropionate. It’s roughly the same as enanthate but if it was propionate or acetate, it would take up less, you know, phenylpropionate the ester actually does take up a lot of that.
We are going to talk about dosages next. First, what about combining NPP with DECA?
So you’re kind of front loading with the NPP so it kicks in immediately and then following up with or taking the NPP and deca of the same time so that the NPP kicks in immediately, but while the deca is waiting to kick in.
Actually, I used to do that a lot when I ran longer compounds just out of sheer. Maybe I was injured or I didn’t have something. So when I was ready to start, I wanted to start now. You know when they’re trying to get somewhere. You’re keen for that I want to be the best. I want to do it now. You want results now.
So I would do it combining with short esters and with longer esters and to kind of kick it in quicker. But you guys got to realize that these hormones, even though they’ll work on the androgen level right away when you start taking him and you can’t front load him. The secondary effects of these things take a lot of time to build up in your system. So whether you front loaded or not, it still takes time for these things that work. I need the water and the joints. You know, the trenbolone effects, Primobolan effects. All these things take a lot of time to change in your body, these processes have to change. And those are all signals that were being sent and the consul and to be sent to change.
All right, what do you think the average recommended dosage online is versus the dosage that your athletes usually used? Because sometimes it’s the same as with winstrol, we said it’s pretty similar what’s recommended all over the internet, but with other compounds like Primobolan and you think should be running much higher. I can’t remember what else, but what do you think about deca dosages and NPP?
With Nandrolone it isn’t I mean, it’s an effective drug when it comes to what it does and what you could use it for. Is that the best builder? No. It’s, not the best builder, but there are certain things that this drug has, nothing else does that is effective. So using it to combine with other things, it’s usually how I would do it. The questions we’re getting about joint relief, you know, pain in the joint with the water from that, using it for the benefits of secondary benefits of the drug and adding it that way so I would take less of it and just added into a cycle.
But if we’re talking about relying on this as our anabolic. Relying on this has an anabolic, having a steady testosterone, you know, and this is your only anabolic versus maybe there’s another anabolic with it. Typically the phenylpropionate, if I’m relying on it, I would like to see it ran around weekly, the bare minimum, about 400 of this stuff and that’s minimum.
So you can see the volume that you have to do with this, right? And if you’re spacing it farther apart, you have to do a lot more and more. And I would say about 600 is pretty effective, i would definitely just really no reason that goes much over 700. 800 of the phenylpropionate would be kind of overkill.
However, Nandrolone decanoate, a 100 could be top out those it would still be effective around that.
How about using it for cutting versus bulking, is it better for one or the other?
Everyone uses it to bulk because you hold water on it much more than anything else. Although, you know, phenylpropionate tens all less because, like i said, the frequency of the inject. Now the problem with Nandrolone and how it works. It does actually require calories to be beneficial. Now everything in general and hormones do require lots of nutrients and calories to work. Nandrolone just honestly happens to be one of those ones that require much more higher calorie intake. So if the calories aren’t there if you’re not getting enough, NPP is actually pretty, it’s not useless and that terms. But you still have to eat more. So taking it for a pre-contest. As I said, I would use it for the joint relief. Because of your joints to starting as you get closer to the competition. And now using it for competition for the game to hold on the size and what not to do any effect like that. I would say it’s, probably one of the worst, one of the worst. It takes a lot of calories were to be effective.
We know deca and NPP holds a lot of water and that’s what gives a lot of the bodybuilders that really soft, round, big, puffy look. Usually when you see that it’s from that or maybe Anadrol. Maybe a high dose of Dianabol and testosterone.
But how can someone minimize the bloat from Nandrolone? I mean, is there ways to prevent getting all that bloated and puffy?
One of the first ways is keeping your estrogen in control. If your estrogen is in control your progesterone is not going to be as high. So always remember that if you can keep those together. You’re going to get less bloating. Keep your estrogen as should always be at a healthy level. Your progesterone will be healthier even when running those compounds and then there are natural diuretics to take away that bloating too. You shouldn’t need to go as far as taking a prescription diuretic. But you can, especially with people getting like the moon cheeks and really bloating.
The progesterone is its biggest thing. But some of the water retention goes to the joints that’s just a secondary benefit and how the drug works. It does in sort of progesterone in sort of estrogen. It’s, affecting the sensitivity to sodium through the estrogen and Progesterone. Okay, because i remember you said on NPP and deca we got to really reduce the sodium intake, to keep the water retention.
That is why, when I recommend a diuretic, I always do the diazide because the way they work is in blocking the sodium. Instead of just completely removing all of your electrolytes and not really carrying where the water is coming from, which is why your potassium always get so screwed up on things like lasix. So if you control your sodium, things that help block sodium is drinking a lot of water. That is a big thing and just not eating out when people bulk they’re always eating out, they don’t care what they eat so there is a lot of sodium. Try bulking with Masteron and Primobolan and Trenbolone, things like that, you know you’re not going to be nearly as bad. And save you know those bulkier drugs for your cutting. Try it out and see how that works.
What is the point of adding Nandrolone, Deca or NPP on top of testosterone, when it has its own estrogenic side effects as well? What if joint relief isn’t needed? Can we just increase testosterone or does NPP have more anabolic benefits beyond just the increased bloat water retention and joint lubrication?
Well, 1 it’s a progesterone and we talked about the effects of estrogen and positive muscle growth with estrogen and has in your body to produce muscle, you don’t have estrogen? It’s almost impossible to build muscle, it is needed and there are benefits of progesterone. And at the same time and building muscle. You don’t need progesterone and that amount, but adding things that do cause progesterone there is a benefit. The side effects of the progesterone do help increase muscle, but too much of the stuff it’s just unwanted side effects like any drug. And on top of it, it’s an anabolic and it works differently. And how it stimulates the anabolic effects from this drug as opposed to testosterone. That’s why they work so good together, they work really good together, even though they both cause bloating. One is progesterone, and one going to affect estrogen. So you combine these 2 you’re getting a benefit from both sides of the spectrum. So they’re not the same in terms of you’re going to bloat, it’s kind of why would you want that? And at the same time, Nandrolone there are a few tricks in Nandrolone. Matt told you before about things you can run when Nandrolone in the studies that show that increase in androgen receptor regulation in the creation of the androgen receptors, by using Nandrolone and other things together with NPP. So there are benefits to running it, too, and that if you can see up-regulation of the androgen receptor by running a drug, you’re going to see more muscle growth to overtime. So there is a positive benefit coming from other angles.
That’s kind of like the anabolic matrix theory we have that you’re combining for synergistic purposes. The anabolic, the androgen receptor stimulation, and then the growth hormone, the local growth factors, the insulin. And it’s better to take a lower dosage of each one of these things and lose the synergy between them. Well, it’s similar also within just the anabolic column. The androgen receptor column of the anabolic matrix that we’re creating. There are three different main categories of hormones. There’s the testosterone based things, there’s the nandrolone based like the 19-nor and then there’s also like the DHT based. So you’ll find the synergy between taking a testosterone or testosterone similar compound along with a nandrolone compound, along with a DHT compound instead and lowering the dosage of these instead of just increasing the dosage. Like a lot of people do they just keep taking more and more testosterone. The benefits just really start to plateau and the side effects just keep starting to increase
I think that pretty much covered it. It’s so, you know, there’s better things out there, but there’s reasons for running it, and it is very good on joints. What would be the minimum doses you could run to have any kind of joint benefit. I mean, would just a 100 milligrams a week have some minor benefit? I know a lot of wrestlers and they were always on 200. I know a lot of good national bodybuilders and some IFBB that stay on 200 to 300 yearly. They’re always on it. So always on that. Always on testosterone low dose, so even when they are on TRT dosage they are taking time off. Is it true that you know when you take testosterone, it suppresses your natural testosterone, but never completely. But when you take a nandrolone, deca or NPP, it pretty much shuts down your testosterone production almost completely. Is that right? Yeah, that’s true. Then it takes longer to recover natural testosterone production. I mean, it’s totally fine to shut down natural testosterone production a lot of our athletes do, and they’re able to regenerate it just fine by using HCG, Clomid or tamoxifen or general pct.
And most of these guys it’s their career, is their life. Like the rest of my friend, the clients and friends that are wrestlers this is their life. You know, you’re getting paid for this and you’re beating the hell out of your body. If they’re not taking this, they’re going to cause more damage, you know, having that joint relief, it’s not just temporary relief, although it is when you have the water going in there. It’s like lubrication, right? So it’s not grinding, so over time the bone and joints are grinding like this as much has lubrication, so you get less damage over time, so they are actually preventing future damage on top of it. So for them shutting down their testosterone, taking longer to recover, maybe they might not fully recover. It doesn’t matter that it is their life that’s, their livelihood. They have to rely on their physique. They have to be healthy. Otherwise their paychecks not coming, same with some of the bodybuilders.
For the most part, they’re getting the real thing when it comes to Nandrolone decanoate. Phenylpropionate seems to be a little bit more, because you can put testosterone propionate in there. And a lot of times people put testosterone enanthate and Nandrolone in it. And you should be getting your getting your blood levels checked. But when you go in to do this, all you have to do is check hormones in your body you can check your progesterone and you can check your estrogen and when you’re going to get your blood work, you’re going to see. Okay, my cholesterol is fine, all my things are fine that’s good to go. But how come my progesterone is not existent and I’m taking x amount of Nandrolone and x amount of tren? That right there can tell you. Okay, your suppliers kind of shafting you. So it’s killed two birds with one stone. You can you know if you don’t care about your health, at least care about what you’re putting in your body and know you’re getting the best result are getting the drug you think you’re putting in your body.
So gyno from nandrolone is caused by the progesterone side effects. Things like tamoxifen are not likely to cut it out. So things like cabergoline, and what Trevor doesn’t like, pramipexol are what’s used to control gyno issues on Nandrolone. Also keeping estrogen low in general because estrogen and progesterone feed off each other. So I think that’s the biggest risk with the deca is really the progesterone increasing, which is synergistic in a bad way with estrogen. Estrogen, progesterone are related, so using something to keep both the estrogen down like an exemestane or aromatase inhibitor, along with the cabergoline should minimize those side effects. And a lot of people get a lot of sexual dysfunction problems with progesterone compounds, deca and tren. So that’s no reason to run the cave to get rid of those effects..